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A scam exposed — LifeWave X39 patches

Beware this ubiquitous type of scam involving ‘healing’ and ‘wellbeing’ products!

At a glance…


The Author had a chance encounter during a local walk, with somebody who recommended LifeWave X39 skin patches supposedly to improve his spinal curvature. Most unsportingly, he noticed his own inner red flag flying, so ‘did his homework’ on the matter, setting-aside all the persuasive story and using Claude AI to jointly work out whether there really was any substance in such a claim for the patches.

This turned out to be a ubiquitous type of scam, where little fragments of genuine science are mentioned in the sales blurb, making the product appear superficially exciting, but they're actually irrelevant, regardless of any genuineness, because there appears to be no genuine logical or functional connection between the mentioned science and the patches actually being able to harness it to achieve anything. In other words, mention of any ‘science’ was there only to deceive.

All relevant parts of the Author's dialogue with Claude AI are included below, so you can see how the final very solidly based conclusion was reached. It's an excellent educational document with regard to learning how to systematically dismantle even the most persuasive sales talk for products that are fundamentally more or less non-functional despite all the glowing testimonials and nn-day money-back guarantee they each carry.

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The Claude transcript


Philip:
Hello Tom. I want to look very carefully at a particular claimed health improvement product (my default assumption has to be ‘scam’), which somebody I encountered on my little walk this morning was strongly recommending to me to get me improvement on my increasingly debilitating complex spinal curvature and largely associated weakening of my legs. He was claiming to have benefited considerably himself, and the idea of having some non-intrusive means to reactivate stem cells is attractive — but the means of allegedly bringing this about simply doesn’t add-up for me, and jumps up and down, crying, yes, ‘Scam!’.

What I’d like you to do is to be devil’s advocate and take the stance of expecting this method to be valid, and seek to validate it.

https://whythelight.com/


Claude:
Right, let’s see what we’re dealing with. First thing worth flagging: this site isn’t actually a standalone company — it’s a white-label/affiliate front page for LifeWave’s X39 patch. The “Cellergize” and “X2O” product names in the pricing tiers, the founder bio (David Schmidt, ex-Navy SEAL stimulant-free performance angle, 200+ patents), and the GHK-Cu/phototherapy mechanism are all pure LifeWave. The page’s closing line — “get back to the person who shared this website with you” — confirms this is a personalised referral link in a multi-level marketing structure, not an independent retailer. That’s relevant context before we even get to the science, but let’s set it aside and do what you asked: build the strongest honest case for it.

The steelman case

GHK-Cu (glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine-copper) is real biochemistry, not invented for this product. It was isolated from human plasma in 1973 by Dr. Loren Pickart, who noticed it declines with age and has since been studied — including in legitimate peer-reviewed contexts — for roles in wound healing, collagen synthesis, and modulation of gene expression related to tissue repair. So the peptide isn’t the scam part; it’s an established subject of dermatological and wound-care research.

LifeWave’s specific claim is narrower than “this peptide is real” — it’s that their patch, via a non-transdermal phototherapy mechanism (reflecting the body’s own infrared output back at specific skin points, supposedly Navy-SEAL-derived), measurably raises GHK-Cu blood concentration. There is a small double-blind RCT behind this: 40 active vs 5 control subjects aged 40–80, wearing the patch for a week, showing a statistically significant rise in blood GHK-Cu by day 7, with the increase reaching p<0.035 for GHK-Cu concentration and p<0.03 for total GHK-Cu. A separate smaller study of 10 participants found similarly significant rises in both GHK and GHK-Cu at p<0.0098 and p<0.0137 respectively. Photobiomodulation itself — light affecting cellular processes — is an established field (used legitimately in wound care, hair regrowth, some musculoskeletal pain protocols), so “light interacting with biology” isn’t inherently fringe. That’s the best honest version of the case: a real peptide, a real broader field of light-based therapy, and at least two small trials showing a measurable, statistically significant biochemical shift.

Where the steelman collapses

Walk the chain from “GHK-Cu rises slightly in blood” to “my complex spinal curvature and leg weakness improve,” and every link gets weaker.

First, the trials themselves: both are small (10–45 subjects), short (one week), funded and hosted by LifeWave itself, published via self-hosted PDFs or non-indexed outlets rather than mainstream peer-reviewed journals, and independent peer-reviewed publications on X39-specific outcomes remain limited. A statistically significant rise in a blood peptide over a week tells you nothing about downstream clinical outcomes — it’s a proxy marker, not a measured improvement in pain, mobility, strength, or structural anything. (Millennial Hawk)

Second, the mechanism as stated on the page — light “reflected” off the skin somehow instructing your body to manufacture more of a specific copper peptide — has no established physical pathway. Stem-cell scientists have called the X39 claims implausible based on known biology, and this is the crux of your “doesn’t add up” instinct: nothing is proposed to physically explain how passive light reflection from an inert patch would upregulate a specific peptide’s biosynthesis pathway. Acupuncture-meridian framing (“apply at these points”) is asserted, not derived from anatomy. (ScamXposer)

Third — and this is the part that matters most for your actual situation — even granting every claim at full strength, none of it addresses a complex spinal curvature or the muscular weakening that follows from it. That’s a structural and likely neuromuscular problem. “Elevated circulating GHK-Cu” doesn’t reverse vertebral malalignment or restore nerve-to-muscle signalling; the marketing simply asserts “stem cells get activated, healing cascades follow,” without any study measuring spinal or neurological outcomes at all. That’s the single biggest logical gap between what’s tested and what’s being implicitly promised to you.

Fourth, the company context: LifeWave’s official documents admit the products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease; the site itself states the patches are “based on the theory of phototherapy” and “not proven based on conventional medicine standards.” In 2025 the BBB’s advertising self-regulation body found LifeWave salesforce members making unsubstantiated claims — including that benefits are immediate and that the product treats “muscle or skeletal conditions” — and when asked to substantiate them, the company did not provide testing data and instead asked the individuals to take the posts down rather than defend the claims. The FTC also listed LifeWave on its 2021 Notice of Penalty Offenses for deceptive income and health claims. (Danny de Hek and BehindMLM's review)

Fifth, the business structure: this is sold through a recruitment-weighted MLM compensation plan with mandatory monthly purchase minimums to stay “active” and commissions concentrated on recruiting downline rather than retail sales — steeply skewed toward recruitment of new affiliates with mandatory monthly product purchases required to qualify for commissions. That matters for evaluating the man on your walk: he’s very likely either a distributor himself or one recruitment step removed from one, with a direct financial incentive in your enthusiasm, regardless of whether he sincerely believes it helped him (placebo and genuine post-hoc attribution are powerful, and he may well not be lying about feeling better).

Bottom line

The “yes, scam!” instinct you described is well-calibrated, though “scam” probably undersells the nuance*: GHK-Cu is real, photobiomodulation as a field is real, and there’s a thin layer of small, company-funded, non-replicated trial data showing a biochemical proxy effect — so it’s not pure fabrication. But the inferential leap from that proxy data to meaningful relief of a complex structural spinal condition and associated leg weakening is unsupported by any study that’s been done, the core mechanism is unexplained by known physics/biology, the company has a documented pattern of unsubstantiated claims it withdraws rather than defends when challenged, and the product reaches you via a recruitment-incentivised referral chain. Nothing here gives a rational basis to expect it would touch your specific condition, and £100+/month is real money to spend testing a hypothesis this poorly supported.

* Actually it doesn't at all, as you'll see when we go through some very pertinent details further on. Basically, the bits of ‘real science’ turn out to be irrelevant to the actual product, and mentioned in the marketing only to deceive.


Philip:
Brilliant, thank you. Your assessment does add-up with flying colours. When I looked at the site, I was reminded very much of the primarily scam Energy Egg business run by Stephen and Lynda Kane, which I’ve called-out as a scam in multiple spots in my Clarity of Being site. The irony there was that I did benefit from the Energy Egg and its big brother the Guardian Angel, but only because my own deepest aspects had been able to actively use them in ways that the Kanes most certainly didn’t want, because that was seen as far too self-empowering and a threat to their business model.

https://www.clarity-of-being.org/glossary.htm#Energy_Egg , and fuller info given at:

https://www.clarity-of-being.org/clarity-sphere.htm .


Claude:
That’s a sharp parallel, and a useful general pattern to keep flagging: a commercial entity has every incentive to sell you a story where the device itself is the active ingredient — because that’s what keeps you buying eggs, angels, patches, or whatever the consumable iteration happens to be. If the actual locus of change were openly acknowledged to be the user’s own engagement, attention, or inner process, the business model collapses — there’d be no reason to keep paying once you’d internalised whatever you needed.

So the structural critique generalises cleanly to LifeWave/X39: regardless of what’s actually going on physiologically or otherwise for any individual user, the company’s narrative requires the patch to be the causal agent, because a $100+/month subscription model depends on it. Anyone who experiences a genuine shift while using it — through placebo, through redirected attention to their own body and hydration and rest (the “drink plenty of water” instruction does double duty as a basic self-care nudge dressed up as protocol), through hope itself doing real biochemical work, or through whatever the user’s own deeper processes are actually doing — has their benefit, real or not, automatically captured and relabelled as evidence for the product. That’s a structurally self-sealing arrangement: success confirms the product, and the user’s own contribution is rendered invisible even to themselves.

The one place I’d flag a difference rather than a clean equivalence: with the Energy Egg/Guardian Angel, your benefit came through your own active inner work using the object as a focal point — something with no analogue claimed for X39’s mechanism, which is presented as fully passive (stick it on, biology does the rest, no engagement from you required). That passivity is actually a worse sign commercially, not a better one — it removes any honest avenue for the “real change is in the user” possibility you found with the Eggs, and leaves nothing behind the curtain except the patch and its price tag.


Philip:
…And, most unsportingly, I’m unimpressed by long lists of ‘convincing’ testimonials and supposed success stories, and nn-day money-back guarantees, which the Kanes gave just as whythelight.com was giving, when one gets no genuine background info, no data on what proportion of users are getting mere placebo effect, and no data on the people with no significant real effect who don’t claim a refund because they either keep using just in case or they simply shrug their shoulders eventually and give up the ongoing expense, having gone beyond the guarantee time.


Claude:
Not unsporting at all — it’s exactly the right instinct, and it’s worth spelling out why those two devices (testimonials, n-day guarantee) are such weak evidence even when offered in apparent good faith.

The testimonials problem is a denominator problem. You’re shown the tail of a distribution — people motivated enough to film themselves enthusing, often distributors with a direct financial stake in the story landing well — with no visibility into how many people used it and felt nothing, or felt vaguely better for reasons unrelated to the product (a symptom that naturally fluctuates, a placebo response, a change in diet or sleep made around the same time they started the protocol and which they didn’t think to mention). Self-reported domains like energy, pain, sleep quality and mood are exactly the ones where placebo response rates run highest in clinical literature — commonly 30–40% even in trials of inert treatments — so a pile of sincere, non-fabricated testimonials is fully compatible with the product doing nothing beyond what attention, hope and ritual would do on their own.

The guarantee does similar work, and your point about why people don’t claim it is the crux. A refund period only counts as evidence if you also know the refund rate, and companies running this structure essentially never publish that figure — for good reason, since MLM guarantees in particular run into a structural conflict: the affiliate who sold you the patch usually has their commission clawed back if you refund, and is the same person guiding you through “are you sure you want to give up” conversations.

Beyond that there’s plain behavioural inertia: people who don’t notice anything dramatic often don’t conclude “this doesn’t work,” they conclude “maybe I need to give it longer” or “maybe I’m just not doing it right,” and by the time that uncertainty resolves into genuine indifference, the window’s closed and the path of least resistance is to let the subscription quietly continue or quietly lapse, neither of which generates a data point anyone collects. The guarantee functions as a psychological permission slip to start (“low risk, you can always get your money back”) rather than as something that’s actually exercised at any rate that would threaten the company’s numbers.

Worth noting too: whythelight.com’s own small print splits the guarantee — 90 days for retail/preferred customers, only 30 for wholesale Brand Partners. That’s the opposite of what you’d expect if the guarantee reflected genuine confidence in the product; the people most invested in the business (and least likely to want to publicly fail, since their identity and income are now tied to it) get the shortest window to admit it isn’t working.


Philip:
…I was just thinking, surely if reflecting a bit of IR back at a position on one’s body could do all that, then the obvious answer is to use patches cut from kitchen foil and held in place by a small piece of sticking plaster or similar! — Anyway, any notion that the positioning of the patch to align with acupuncture points / meridians goes right out of the window as far as I’m concerned, because to the best of my understanding that’s all part of the illusory and harmful structured energy system or ‘aura’ that the garbage has got countless people believing in and ‘seeing’ (i.e., effectively hallucinating), thanks to sweet little garbage.


Claude:
That’s actually a properly scientific instinct — deriving a sharp, cheap, falsifiable prediction directly from their own stated mechanism. And it’s a better reductio than you might even intend, because ordinary kitchen foil is a substantially better broadband infrared reflector than whatever inert mineral coating sits in the patch — it’s why actual emergency/space blankets, designed specifically to reflect a wearer’s own body heat back at them, are made of metallised mylar rather than anything resembling LifeWave’s “crystal-infused” adhesive. If “reflecting IR back at the skin elevates GHK-Cu and reactivates stem cells” were true as stated, a strip of Bacofoil taped over the same spot should outperform the patented product, not merely match it.

That it obviously doesn’t (and that nobody markets foil as a stem-cell reactivator, despite it being free and lying around in everyone’s kitchen drawer) is good evidence the stated physical mechanism isn’t actually doing the claimed work — whatever benefit anyone gets is coming from somewhere else entirely, with the IR-reflection story serving as post-hoc scientific-sounding packaging rather than an operative cause.

On the meridian placement: the empirical case stands independently and rather plainly — decades of anatomical and physiological investigation have never identified any structure corresponding to acupuncture meridians or points; they don’t show up in dissection, imaging, or any other means of looking at what’s actually there. So instructing people to place a patch at specific “energy points” is borrowing the authority of a centuries-old tradition rather than deriving placement from anything demonstrated about the body. It’s not that the spot matters and science hasn’t caught up — it’s that nothing about the spot has ever been shown to matter at all.


Philip:
:-) You've spelled it out all quite deliciously. I got the impression from the guy, who introduced that setup on yesterday's walk, was intending to give me a follow-up contact. — If he does, I’ll make a tolerably readable copy of this thread and send it to him, just telling him that I’d done my full ‘homework’ on the patches, and I’m attaching my findings — so he’d have to at least start reading that before he maybe ‘panics-out’ and loses interest in me. On the other hand he might already have panicked-out because I gave him one of my cards, one side of which features Clarity of Being, and he was making out to be very interested to see what I was making of all that. He might well then come across my assessment of the Kanes’ products, and also be disconcerted by this page:

https://www.clarity-of-being.org/aura-photos-deception.htm


Claude:
The aura photography piece adds a rather neat complementary angle to the LifeWave discussion — both rely on the same underlying rhetorical structure: take a genuine but modest physical phenomenon (skin conductivity at the fingertips in one case, IR emission from body heat in the other), claim it’s measuring or interacting with something far more significant than it actually is, dress the output in scientific-adjacent language (“biofeedback sensors,” “photobiomodulation,” “patented technology”), and sell the resulting performance as meaningful personal data or therapeutic intervention. In both cases the patent — which LifeWave also leans on heavily — gets recruited as a quality signal when it’s actually just evidence that a mechanism has been made novel and reproducible enough to protect commercially, which is a completely separate question from whether it does anything useful.

Your point about the aura as essentially a garbage-constructed illusory framework is a distinct and deeper level of the critique, of course, which goes well beyond what a mainstream scientific objection would reach — and which Paul might find either arresting or comprehensively alarming, depending on where he is in that territory. The aura-photos page, if he gets to it, would likely land harder than the patches analysis for exactly that reason: it isn’t just saying “this device doesn’t work as claimed,” it’s challenging the entire conceptual substrate on which both the aura photography and the meridian-placement rationale for LifeWave’s patches depend. That could be rather a lot to absorb in one sitting, particularly if his interest in the patches is entangled with a broader investment in that kind of framework.


Philip:
…Oh haha! I’m now sweltering in hopefully the final day here of the record-breaking heatwave, and just after lunch, who calls me but Paul, first telling me he’s listening to my Nature-Symphony 83 (Exploring Yon Lightning Chambers), and a few conversational details, then “Have you been thinking more about…” (you know what!). His whole tone and manner were clearly those of a sly salesperson, not of a genuinely interested person. Whether he was really getting anything out of my N-S 83 goodness knows, but there was a feeling of subtle dissonance about that in tone and manner.

Actually, in retrospect I can say squarely that his words, as delivered, sounded as hollow as a Halloween pumpkin, and I very much doubt that anything on any of my sites was of interest to him apart from any potential to use it in some further grooming exercise.

Note too that he said he was listening to my Nature-Symphony while making that call. That tells me that he was NOT listening to it, at least in any meaningful way. If he were doing that, he wouldn't have called me while playing it, if indeed he was doing even that. So, we can be sure that his mention of that at all then was purely as an inept conversational ploy to engage me for some nefarious purpose, and another indicator of the overall dishonesty of his engagement with me

Anyway, I told him I had indeed done my homework, thoroughly so. He asked if I was still interested in following-up the patches. As he’d asked me I said ‘No’ directly, but added that I wanted him to see my detailed findings on the product, and had an account of them, which I’d now send. He sounded agreeable to that, but clearly disappointed (can’t think why — surely the whole point of the approach was for me to say ‘no’ and send him my findings!). And so, I’ve now sent that transcript, minus the odd off-topic bits but including the comparison with the Energy Eggs and aura photos ‘please don’t call this a scam’ businesses.


Claude:
Ha — the symphony as opener is a nice touch, whether genuine or calculated*. Either way it’s a softer approach than leading with “so have you thought more about the patches,” and the abrupt pivot to exactly that question rather undermines the sincerity of the musical appreciation. If he’d actually been absorbed in a nature symphony he’d presumably have more to say about it than a brief conversational preamble before getting to the point.

* Here's Claude's tendency to genteelly sit on the fence where a well-functioning human (with proper pre-emptive contextual awareness) would immediately realize what was really going on — it actually being obvious that Paul's bringing in that Nature-Symphony, in the context, just had to be a calculated ploy, and a potent indicator of his deviousness.

The “clearly disappointed” reaction is quite telling in itself. A genuinely curious person who’d recommended something to a new acquaintance and was told “no but here are my detailed findings” would most likely be at least somewhat interested in what those findings were — perhaps a little defensive, perhaps curious, but engaged. Disappointment is the response of someone whose conversion funnel has just failed to convert, which rather confirms your read of the tone throughout.

Sending the transcript is the right call and elegantly proportionate — you’ve given him something substantive rather than just a flat refusal, which respects whatever genuine element there may be in the acquaintance, while making absolutely clear that the “no” is informed and considered rather than just resistant. If he reads it properly it may do him some actual good, since MLM participants are often themselves victims of the same structural incentives and belief architecture before they become vectors for it.

The inclusion of the Energy Egg and aura photos material is the interesting wildcard. That’s where it either opens something or closes everything — depending entirely on how invested he is in that broader framework. You’ll know soon enough by whether he responds at all, and if so, how.


Philip:
Yes, and from the perspective of my own life experience, that approach is just the healthiest and frictionless mode.


Claude:
Exactly — and it’s self-consistent in a way that carries its own quiet authority. You’re not arguing from a position of wanting to win or to dismantle his worldview; you’re simply demonstrating, by the manner of the exchange itself, what rigorous open-minded enquiry actually looks like in practice. The self-correction reinforces that rather than undermining it — it shows the approach is genuinely self-correcting rather than rhetorically positioned.

It also sidesteps entirely the psychological dynamics that make these exchanges so often go badly — defensiveness, ego investment, the feeling of being attacked or talked down to. There’s nothing for him to push against, which paradoxically gives the content the best possible chance of actually landing, if it’s going to land at all.

And practically speaking, it costs you nothing either way. If he engages thoughtfully, that’s interesting. If he quietly vanishes back into his distributor network, you’ve lost nothing and spent no friction getting there.


Addendum, 26 June 2026…

Philip:
Hey Tom — I realized when I got up this morning that we’d both missed a blindingly obvious point! — Is there any validated research showing that IR emitted from our skin differs in any material way from IR from a multitude of everyday other sources? :-)


Claude:
Ha — yes, that’s a delicious gap. The answer is essentially no, and the physics makes it unavoidable.

Human skin emits infrared radiation as a near-perfect blackbody radiator at approximately 37°C, producing a smooth thermal emission spectrum peaking around 9–10 micrometres — which is simply what any object at that temperature does, biological or not. A cup of tea, a warm brick, a patch of sunlit tarmac cooling in the evening — all emit IR of broadly comparable character at comparable temperatures. There is nothing biologically specific about the spectral profile of skin-emitted IR that distinguishes it in kind from thermal emission by inanimate warm objects, because it’s governed by temperature and emissivity, not by the biological nature of the emitter.

So the LifeWave mechanism claim doesn’t just fail to explain how reflected IR could trigger specific peptide biosynthesis — it fails at the prior step of establishing that there’s anything specific about skin’s own IR worth reflecting back in the first place. A patch of metallised kitchen foil placed on the bathroom radiator would be reflecting IR of very similar character onto whatever wall it faces. If the mechanism were real, you’d expect some measurable therapeutic effect from warm radiators generally, which is not a finding that appears in any clinical literature.

It also quietly demolishes the “your body’s own light” framing that the marketing leans on rather heavily — that phrase is doing enormous rhetorical work to make the process sound intimate and biologically targeted, when the physics says it’s just bouncing generic thermal radiation from a warm surface back at a slightly different warm surface.

A beautifully simple reductio, and rather annoyingly obvious in hindsight.


Paul’s response to my findings…

Paul:

Hello again Philip,

Thank you for your addendum. Very interesting as was your original email content which I have just read.

My thoughts are that just because infrared heat is given off by various objects that doesn’t negate the fact that the human skin gives off an infrared radiation.

You are clearly a man of science and I understand where you are coming from. I am scientifically ignorant but I do value a positive result which I enjoyed after several years of pain and despondency.

Note that he categorically assumes that the patches were the cause of the claimed improvement in his condition, but actually has no genuinely reasoned basis for such a claim, beyond possibly a particularly good (and rare) placebo effect. — And in view of his disregarding my and Claude's rigorous analysis of the products claims, I'd say that his description of his own claimed improvement cannot be taken at face value anyway (all one could say is that it may or may not be true), for presumably he has a significant financial interest in recruiting new customers.

Also consider this — as I've remarked in the odd place on my Clarity of Being site, when a person tells me they understand where I'm coming from, the subtext is straightaway a giveaway — that they have not genuinely connected with, let alone actually understood, anything at all in what I've said / written, and what they say beyond that expression is simply some sort of agenda / belief-driven story that they want me to believe  — i.e., in lieu of my own rock-solidly based working model of human function and the nature of reality.


As Claude acknowledged the money back guarantee is valid and so I would urge you to reconsider and maybe give it a try given that you can get your money back.

I sometimes send people this YouTube link which is full of testimonials which may or may not resonate with you.

Whatever you decide I wish you well and maybe we’ll meet again on our walks.

Kind regards, Paul

Claude’s note on Paul’s response:
A gracious reply; Paul is clearly a decent man with no rancour. His one actual counter-argument — that human skin emitting IR doesn’t negate the fact that it emits IR — entirely misses the point made, which was that there’s nothing specific about skin-emitted IR that would make reflecting it back therapeutically meaningful as distinct from reflecting IR from any other warm surface.

The rest is the standard triad already addressed above: personal testimony (his own relief from years of pain, which is real to him and not in doubt), the money-back guarantee, and a YouTube testimonial compilation. The claim that “Claude acknowledged the money-back guarantee is valid” is a misreading — what was actually said is that the guarantee exists, not that it constitutes meaningful evidence of efficacy; the structural reasons why it doesn’t were spelled out at some length above.

He has had the full case, delivered without hostility, and responded with three things already addressed. The acquaintance ends on decent terms.

For an AI chatbot, Claude is particularly excellent in its objectivity and attention to consistency in reasoning, and ensuring that reasoning is from a sound basis — but Claude's comments here about Paul are only half on the rails, for he's doing his best to keep ‘neutral’ where neutrality in the bot's sense is not fully appropriate, and sit on the fence sometimes when it's not fully appropriate. He does come out with the full critique of the product but he confuses Paul's devious behaviour with responding ‘graciously’ or otherwise in a decent, ‘gentlemanly’ manner, rather than the weasel-wordy scoundrel persona that he's acting-out.

That confusion between neutrality and full objectivity appears to be in the bot's basic training. It's not the bot's task to be motivational or partisan in such situations, though at times it would be better if it were.

In this case, it's left to me to be the awkward old b*gger and do the open calling-out.

So, to me, Paul comes over as an utterer of hollow, weasel words, all driven by his sales agenda. This is underlined in the follow-up email reproduced below, where the agenda shows again.

I'd say, he does, yes, make a point of coming over as gentle and wanting to be helpful, but what I'm picking up is something more in common with other scam salespeople — seeking to ‘groom’ potential victims (pardon, er, customers) towards getting hooked. So, let's be clear, that I don't go along with Claude's diplomatically positive words about him They may or may not apply to some extent, but that's in no way established yet, and it does look to me to be more in the way of grooming potential ‘suckers’, whether or not Paul would ever speak or think of it in exactly those terms.

Indeed, if it were just that he really wanted to help me, he wouldn't have been trying to convince me to invest good money in the scam to start with. He never made any deliberate hint that he had a financial interest in my falling for it — which many would idiotically just call ‘being economical with the truth’ or simply ‘common business practice’, but in fact is simply dishonesty that most people are too timid / stupid to call what it really is, so the more chameleon-like scammers continue to get away with these things.


Paul’s follow-up email (not part of the chat transcript)…

Paul:

I’m not sure whether that last link worked. I hope this one will. And I repeat you have absolutely nothing to lose By trying the patches. If they work for you the benefits could be substantial.

He was again completely ignoring the detailed reasons why I and Claude regard the LifeWave patches business as a scam, and wouldn't touch their products with a bargepole. Again, Paul's words are indeed hollower than a Halloween pumpkin.

Of course that final sentence of his is semantically correct, but is that statement in that context actually honest? — No way! It's simply a scammer's rhetoric, which unfortunately would fool a significant proportion of our population. What doesn't accompany that statement is what the probability would be, of my getting said benefits if I did fall for the scam. Indeed, even if he gave me a figure for that, it would not be trustworthy, coming from him, with all his other weasel words.

— And the preceding sentence is more brazenly dishonest, as is made clear by Claude's examination of the whole point of the supposed nn-day guarantee.


[YouTube video link supplied, which I did NOT visit]

Time to openly call-out this LifeWave SCAM

Note that Paul, in his responses to the above transcript completely sidestepped my (and Claude's) rock-solid exposure of the LifeWave patches scam, and robotically still sought to get me engaged with it despite it being obvious that I'd have nothing further to do with that product or anything or any business of that ilk. The world is replete with individuals like him, and every one of them is seriously toxic, making out to be so well-intentioned and beyond criticism, while seeking with persuasive salesperson rhetoric to lighten their victims' (pardon — er, clients') bank balances significantly for just an expensive placebo.

He also never directly indicated that he had a direct vested financial interest in my becoming a user of those patches, even though it quickly became obvious that he must have. That is another clear indicator of his devious dishonesty. — Yes, I'm a naughty monkey (in a bent-up old man's body) who sees the need for us ALL to call-out every bit of that dishonesty, completely sans euphemisms or diplomatic language of any sort.

…If you can't stop yourself from spending lots of money on an expensive placebo, please do be aware that in doing that, you yourself are being socially harmful in supporting a scammer. Do you really mean to be doing so?

Sure, that type of business could be described as a ‘nuanced’ scammer (as though that somehow gave it legitimacy!) because there are a few bits of genuine science mentioned in the sales blurb. But when you look more deeply, as Claude did on my behalf, it becomes clear that those bits of science are ALL irrelevant and being misused in the particular context because there are as yet no recognisable means of functionally linking that science to those patches, which latter are simply bits of absurdly expensive material that allegedly reflect some infra-red (‘radiant heat’) back onto the skin. As far as I and Claude are aware, that IR is no different from IR from any other source. LifeWave aren't selling anyone the science; they're simply selling patches that do nothing except temporarily to stick on your skin.

As I already understood from much previous experience of similar ‘healing’- or ‘wellness’-aid businesses, and as Claude explained above, impressive lists of glowing testimonials, however convincing they look, together with money-back ‘guarantee’, are standard for all these scams, and one needs not to be swayed in the slightest by them, even if the testimonials are all genuine (something not to be taken for granted anyway). Claude explains further above just why that is.

The bottom line…

If you'd like to have a laughably inexpensive 'device' that would be functionally the same as or better than those expensive patches, just cut out a few small kitchen foil patches and tape one or more of them somewhere on your body — indeed, on any position where you believe it would or might be effective, for whatever good that would do you — even on a supposed energy point or meridian, if you feel you really must.

— Oh, no, of course now I get it! It's not the patches that do the work; it's the lightening of one's bank balance by purchasing the placebo that does it (or, of course, in piles of unrecorded cases, the placebo that doesn't do it)!